Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 23:31:30 EST
Subject: Fwd: [FRCtech2002] Digest Number 2

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There are 13 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

      1. No-Show
           From: "wasssoap" <kenny.ardizzone@motorola.com>
      2. cost of robot
           From: "joyyoungnetmail2000" <joyyoungnetmail2000@yahoo.com>
      3. scoring ties
           From: "dukenukemb" <mike@soundcardcentral.com>
      4. Re: Van Door Motors?
           From: "frcengineers" <frcengineers@yahoo.com>
      5. Best Price on Soccer Balls
           From: "rbuffol" <rbuffol@cpcus.jnj.com>
      6. Re: Rule GM14 Special Equipment or clothing for players
           From: "frcengineers" <frcengineers@yahoo.com>
      7. Will a real time score board be visible as teams score points?
           From: "mcj7247" <mcj7247@aol.com>
      8. Re: Will a real time score board be visible as teams score points?
           From: "frcengineers" <frcengineers@yahoo.com>
      9. Chairmans Award!
           From: "phat_dady_99" <phat_dady_99@yahoo.com>
     10. Re: Chairmans Award!
           From: "frcengineers" <frcengineers@yahoo.com>
     11. Re: Ball Return
           From: "frcengineers" <frcengineers@yahoo.com>
     12. Re: Discontinued Motors, Playing Field, and Autodesk, Among Other Topics...
           From: "frcengineers" <frcengineers@yahoo.com>
     13. Re: Ball chutes
           From: "frcengineers" <frcengineers@yahoo.com>


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Message: 1
   Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 19:43:29 -0000
   From: "wasssoap" <kenny.ardizzone@motorola.com>
Subject: No-Show

Another scoring Q:

Regarding SC7 & SC8-  Can a no-show recieve a Win?

KA-108




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Message: 2
   Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 21:23:35 -0000
   From: "joyyoungnetmail2000" <joyyoungnetmail2000@yahoo.com>
Subject: cost of robot

How much are we allowed to spend on parts not included in the kit?  
Is there a limit? Thanks, Joy




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Message: 3
   Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 20:45:56 -0000
   From: "dukenukemb" <mike@soundcardcentral.com>
Subject: scoring ties

in reference to SC9, the determination of tiebreakers between two 
alliances during a match, who would get the 3x multiplier
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no warnings/penalties for either team
two robots in red's home zone & two robots in blue's
one goal in each team's zone, the third is still in zone 3 where it 
started
30 balls (which means equal number on each side of the field) in each 
goal

for a total of 60 points each team.

so from the rules (SC9):

TieBreakers:
1. Least penalties or warnings - NOT PASSED (equal)
2. Most balls in scoring position - NOT PASSED (equal)
3. Most goals in scoring position - NOT PASSED (equal)
4. Most robots in scoring position - NOT PASSED (equal)
5. Most balls on other side of field - NOT PASSED (equal)
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So what happens now?

Some people at the ChiefDelphi.com forums have made these suggestions:
1) no one gets the 3x multiplier
2) both alliances get the 3x
3) coin toss

So what would be the determining factor for the 3x multiplier though 
if all others fail?

Thanks.
- Mike
Revolution 360¡
Team 360




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Message: 4
   Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 22:01:34 -0000
   From: "frcengineers" <frcengineers@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Van Door Motors?

--- In FRCtech2002@y..., "team_190" <stafford@w...> wrote:
Didn't find one in our boxes--did find two of those big black 
hummers(Atwood).  
Is this a change to the parts list?  
Where can we find more specifications on the new motors w/attached 
gearboxes? 
(EG no-load rpm, stall torque.)  
(BTW, how come the spec sheet on the Globe motors
 is still wrong?--97 RPM for motor alone!!??)

Hello,

This is a change in the Kit of Parts list.
You will be able to find more information on the new motors with 
attached gearboxes in Team Update #1 on the FIRST website.  
Please check the FIRST website for this update it should be available 
 1/9/02. 

The specs for the globe motor in the manual is the information sent to 
us by globe motors.  We apologize for any error.






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Message: 5
   Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 17:05:44 -0000
   From: "rbuffol" <rbuffol@cpcus.jnj.com>
Subject: Best Price on Soccer Balls

Has anyone found a good supplier for the size 5 soccer balls? 




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Message: 6
   Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 22:20:07 -0000
   From: "frcengineers" <frcengineers@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Rule GM14 Special Equipment or clothing for players

--- In FRCtech2002@y..., E Clock <elgclock@y...> wrote:
> Are soccer goalie gloves considered Special Equipment
> and are they disallowed to be worn during the match by
> maybe a human player???
> 

They would not be allowed per rule GM14.




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Message: 7
   Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 19:22:08 -0000
   From: "mcj7247" <mcj7247@aol.com>
Subject: Will a real time score board be visible as teams score points?

During each match, will a score be visible to each alliance team so 
they know how many points they have gathered at any given time during 
the match? 

If not, is it allowable for the coach/mentor or any student players 
to keep track of team scores, while in the alliance station, using a 
handheld electronic device or laptop PC?




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Message: 8
   Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 22:26:34 -0000
   From: "frcengineers" <frcengineers@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Will a real time score board be visible as teams score points?

--- In FRCtech2002@y..., "mcj7247" <mcj7247@a...> wrote:
> During each match, will a score be visible to each alliance team so 
> they know how many points they have gathered at any given time 
during 
> the match? 
> 
> If not, is it allowable for the coach/mentor or any student players 
> to keep track of team scores, while in the alliance station, using a 
> handheld electronic device or laptop PC?

NO.  A score will not be visible for each alliance during the match.
It is allowable for the coach/mentor or any student to keep track of 
team scores, while in the alliance station, using a handheld 
electronic device or laptop  - remember power will not be provived for 
these devices.




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Message: 9
   Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 22:35:20 -0000
   From: "phat_dady_99" <phat_dady_99@yahoo.com>
Subject: Chairmans Award!

>From team 191!

 What software can we use to submit the chairmans award  on disc? 
 When will the 10min time limit begin when using a disc?




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Message: 10
   Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 23:04:43 -0000
   From: "frcengineers" <frcengineers@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Chairmans Award!

--- In FRCtech2002@y..., "phat_dady_99" <phat_dady_99@y...> wrote:
> From team 191!
> 
>  What software can we use to submit the chairmans award  on disc? 
>  When will the 10min time limit begin when using a disc?

Whatever you create should be an autoexecutable file (a .exe) or it 
should be a common viewing format - .pdf, .ppt, .doc.

10 minute time limit begins when the first file opens.




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Message: 11
   Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 23:14:38 -0000
   From: "frcengineers" <frcengineers@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Ball Return

There was a mistake in the manual. There are no ball return holes in 
the alliance stations. The field drawings are accurate.

--- In FRCtech2002@y..., "jared999" <jared999@m...> wrote:
> We have a few questions regarding  Section 2.3 of the rules.
> 
> Section 2.3 States:
> 
> 2.3 Alliance Station
> The alliance stations are located outside the perimeter of the 
> playing field as shown in Figure 1.1. There
> are two openings in the alliance station wall for ball return. . . .
> 
> How big are these ball return openings and where are they located? 
> Can they be used during the game? Can a robot push balls into the 
> alliance station through these openings? Can a side view of these 
> walls be obtained?
> 
> Thank You,
> Jared Ross
> V.P. Oakwood Robotics Team #992




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Message: 12
   Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 23:20:23 -0000
   From: "frcengineers" <frcengineers@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Discontinued Motors, Playing Field, and Autodesk, Among Other Topics...

Threaded answers, below.

--- In FRCtech2002@y..., "robodan_550" <elsnore@h...> wrote:
> Q1= Are we allowed to use the discontinued van door motors on 
robots?
> 
A1 = refer to other answer on Van Door motors.
> Q2= Does the field exceed the dimensions of a standard basketball 
> court?
> 
A2 = please refer to field drawings available on web.

> Q3= Is the field still a large rug with tape on it?
> 
A3 = Yes

> Q4= Is there a field border, and what is it made of?
> 
A4 = please refer to field drawings available on web.

> Q5= Are all size 5 soccer balls approximately the same dimensions of 
> the Puma Neo Campo?
> 
A5 = Yes; for excruciating detail, please search the Delphi message 
boards.

> Q6= Will the kickoff video be released for download, specifically 
the 
> hour of the unveiling?
> 
A6 = Yes, sometime soon. Can't wait to see those human 'bots again, 
right?

> Q7= Are the documents currently on the Competition Documents page 
> finalized?
> 
A7 = Yes but there will be updates.

> Q8= My team, Team 550, has not recieved our Autodesk shipment yet.  
> Has it been shipped, and when can we expect its arrival?
> 
A8 = Some teams (who paid late) didn't get their software shipped 
until Friday 1/4. You should have it by 1/11. If not, call FIRST and 
we will follow it up for you.

> Thanks.
> -Dan, Student Leader on Team 550 WCTS Knights




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Message: 13
   Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 23:24:32 -0000
   From: "frcengineers" <frcengineers@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Ball chutes

There's a mistake in the manual, sorry. There are no ball return 
holes or chutes in the alliance station wall.

--- In FRCtech2002@y..., "phishyj168" <phishyj168@y...> wrote:
> Section 2.3 of the game section says that there are two openings in 
> the alliance station wall for ball return, yet at the kickoff there 
> were none on the field, and in the field drawings provided with the 
> kit, there are no chutes shown on the drawing.  So, are there ball 
> return chutes or not?
> Jason Rudolph
> Team 168




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